Deleting my raws. This is farewell~

[桜の夢]

Aah I'm so unhappy to read this. Cruciatus san you've given me so many happy moments... Because of the raws you share I could practice Japanese and then could read so many new mangas and know of new mangakas... They became favorites and I also started buying my own copies when I can. But still you share so many raws that I could not buy and I was always excited and happy whenever I saw new posts by you~ you have done so much for this place and all fans like me..... But because of horrible rotten people so many others will suffer now. I hate them all so much who abuse your kindness!!

I would have like to share some of my own raws but all these comments made me realise that everybody who is sharing is getting there things stolen or made money from them. I don't want this to happen to me too so I will not share here. If the admins can expose and kick out the thieves or make the forum more secure, may be then~

[桜の夢]

Yes, actually! I got responses from FIVE different publishers, including Libre and Shinshokan, that they've noted my complaint and their department that handles copyright infringement is investigating the matter. I wrote to a few more publishers this weekend, and I expect they'll respond on Monday or later in the week.

 

Once again, thank you everyone for your support and best wishes, and a big shout-out to

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for defending my honour and fighting ignorance and entitlement on my behalf.

 

 

Sorry I just now saw this after posting my comment... This is great news! Hope that sites are taught a lesson, better if they are locked in jail for making money from stolen things~

[okashi]

長い間 大変お世話になりました。

ありがとうございました。

どうぞお元気で。

[nodameotaku]

Really sad that I've read this topic too late... as an editor for a yaoi group, I really thank you for always sharing nice things for the community. Hope that you can read this comment and read my private message. I wish you happy!

[akuma1110]

Thank you so much for all of your hard work, we will all miss you and appreciate what you have done to this forum.

Hope to see you around again!

 

Cheers

[Wokeme]

Though I understand the reason why, it's disappointing that you're not posting any more. But they're your raws and you're the one actually troubled by profiteers so we've no right to complain. Your raws were the reason I joined this site in the first place. I'm grateful for everything you've shared with us. I follow you on tumblr so I guess I'll see you there....

[maimim]

Like many have said, it's sad to see the raws go, but it's completely understandable. It's the raws you bought, and you were kind enough to share it with the YaoiOtaku community. Thank you very much for this, and I'm sorry that those guys ruined everything for you. Honestly, I'd do the same thing with the Japanese publishers because I'd want what I share to stay in a certain community, not to be take advantage of and seen as a free ticket to make easy money. Yes, it's the Internet so there's really no real control over what you upload, but it doesn't mean that people should be be jerks.

 

I also find it funny how there are people saying that Cruciatus is trying to get attention? That what they are doing is mistake. It's like when your parents give you allowance money and suddenly take it away, and you get mad. I mean, they could have just NOT given any money to you, and you wouldn't have been mad in the first place. People are just really entitled especially when something FREE gets taken away from them. "Where's my free shit? I have been getting it for so long, why are you taking it away? [inserts stupid reasoning to keep getting free stuff]." There's a bunch of that kind of group in the manga/anime community, and I have met several. Because there is free manga/anime on the Internet, people just expect it to be free everywhere. No, people were either just kind enough to share or were disrespectful and took it from somewhere else.

[kyuu]

my, the day has come huh..but of course everything will eventually come to an end sooner or later..MANY THANKS TO ALL THE KIND-HEARTED SOUL WHO'VE BEEN SHARING THEIR RAWS HERE..YOU GUYS ARE SOOOO GENEROUS BEYOND REPAYMENT..sayonara my yaoi paradise

:Sad::Sad::Sad::Sad::Sad::Sad::Sad:

 

p.s really those stealing bastards need to be shoved with dildo for eternity..they're sooo f greedy they need something to calmed their greediness

[kyuu]

:No!:

[kyuu]

Um no. This is literally about other people stealing her stuff to make money off of it. What's so hard to understand about that? IF she wouldn't be sharing it for the joy of other people who can't afford, she wouldn't let anyone read it for free in the first place. But what we're talking about here is stealing stuff other people paid for to profit from it. It's shitty enough that these people earn money from illegally distributing licensed works. But it's even shittier that they're stealing it from someone who bought them with their hard earned cash and shared them in best interest. But since you never uploaded sth you probably don't understand that anyway. I might be a little rude here but your statement sounds a lot like entitlement.

 

naw i think that person just shookt to the point of being butthurt lol need some time to move on

[JakeUp!]

Well, is so sad. But there is your right to do whatever you want with your raws. You buy it, you clean the raws, etc. Is not fare that "somebody" just take your staff without your consent.

 

I will follow you in twitter, good look.

[curioso]

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First and foremost, I want to thank you for your generosity, time and effort to share so many manga with us for so many years! You will be missed! There will always be haters, just ignore the noise. Hope you have a wonderful summer!

[annabis]

Ah, I see. Thank you for everything. I being noticing that the scantalite world has being dying little by little for a while now. uhmmm Less manga to read and so culture in the world taking in account too how the publishing industry goes in occ. Renta and such her sisters. blegh

[yukako77]

Thank you for your hard work and I understand your decision. It is annoying that they keep on taking your raws and making money off of them. I hope people now go and buy the manga on their own. I used to download your raws to see samples of the work, but now I can see samples on ebook stores. Every title I downloaded and liked (I would only read one chapter to sample) I have bought the actual manga to support the artist. The more sales of their books (paper or ebook) will lead to more works by them. We now live in a world where it is possible to import manga from Japan or buy eBooks online (as long as you have a credit card). It's not like 10 years ago, so I hope people who have downloaded your raws and liked the works will support the artist and buy their works, and not be satisfied with just the raws they got for free. Once again, thanks for your hard work. Thanks to you I have bought a lot of BL manga and don't regret buying any of them.

[Yaegiri]

You deserve better. I thank you from the bottom of my heart for always satisfying my dirty desire for yaoi in the past. Thank you so much!!!

Thanks to your hard work, I bought some of my favorite manga!

[sofeenalee]

I know I'm late on the news but I wanted to show my agreement for Cruciatus' decision but not perhaps in the same way as other members in this forum. Instead I'd like to instead discuss from a more legal perspective about the rammifications of sharing manga.

 

I've been on the manga scene for about 15 years now and I've gone from lurker to simple downloader, to scanlation editor, to translator, to online reader and back to lurker again. I now work professionally as a medical translator but through the years I've had the chance to work with various publishers and legal offices so I've gained at least a minimal insight of the other side of publication.

 

My time as a scanlator has helped me in so many ways, both with my own learning as well as with job opportunities and for that I am extremely grateful for the various scanners and Cruciatus for giving me permission to use their scans. However, if I could do it again I would do it with no credits, no watermark, no webpage of my own or weblinks (private/trusted acquaintances could share my scanlations on various forums in my place). Nothing that would show that I had a hand in any part of the process.

 

Of course, nothing filled me with more pride that seeing my own pseudonym attached to works that I had spent hours poring over whilst editing but ultimately it's meant that it's far too easy to link them to a single digital presence, and it wouldn't take much more to link it to the real person behind that presence. What saves me, as of this moment, is the grey area in the transformative nature of translation, that 7 years ago there was no legal precedent and lastly that I was a small fry in the business of scanlation. Cruciatus, unfortunately, is not.

 

I've read through all the previous posts and many members have highlighted the rudeness of 13dl.net, how surely decency and politeness should have meant that those who downloaded Cruciatus' files should have kept the files to themselves but really, all it boils down to is a flimsy agreement amongst strangers. In the real world, people already struggle with being altruistic when self-benefit is involved, so it goes to show that if copyright laws couldn't stop the work being shared illegally in the first place it doesn't take much to assume secondary or tertiary sharers will do as they please as well. Of course it's okay to not like what's happened. On my part I'm quite happy to state the selfish truth of it: Because of a third party site, I can no longer easily download illegally copied BL work (for free) directly from the scanner and that annoys me tremendously. This however takes me away from the point I wanted to make.

 

Using free online streaming sites as an example, in most countries it's still not fully illegal to host links. This means the streaming site is only offering a portal to the media and the money they make is through web-traffic, they make no profit from the viewers and so they have a legal loophole out of any punishment. The one who faces serious time is and always will be the person who ripped the video in the first place (there are no consequence for those who just view or download only). Most of us know this though we choose to ignore it. With digital literary media it's not too different either. 13dl, though they seem to be a nefarious bunch that publishers would do well to get rid of, are making money not from the readers but from the url shorterners (i.e. web-traffic), and so technically any punishment they face (if at all) will be light in comparison to the first illegal distributor.

 

Now in regards to Cruciatus, I'm afraid having their name so clearly plastered across so many scans might prove to be their undoing. Even scans without the watermarks can easily be traced back to various accounts - Greenleaf on tumblr, Greenleaf1309n on livejournal, Cruciatus on aarinfantasy and here etc. There's historical record of copyright breaching lasting almost ten years which can be shown simply through archive sites. Breaking copywrite for print may have not been a great concern in the past (as transactions were difficult to trace) but if it's true that they are now sharing digital media then it will be a doddle to link the digital transaction to the sharing sites. They may face even heavier penulties as I know online publishers are racing to amend contracts between themselves and the online buyer by the minute (just look at the small print and see how it constantly changes). We all know that Cruciatus shared out of kindness, wishing that we could all have the chance to enjoy amazing stories from such talented Mangakas but to the big companies that means nothing. To them, in this chain, Cruciatus has done the most damage by illegally putting the works out there in the first place.

 

With the prospect of such a heavy charge, especially in light of the recent arrests, I sincerely hope that Cruciatus will listen to the advice I have to offer: Delete your forum accounts, delete your drive account, delete your twitter, delete your tumblr, delete any old accounts using any current or old names/avatars. Delete even the profile you use to buy manga online in the first place (I personally would close your bank account too). Stop sharing and start again fresh as a simple reader with new accounts, new profiles, new IP address and say nothing to give away your link to 'Cruciatus/Greenleaf'. It'll be sad for us members to not be able to connect with you again but that is the level of how serious this is. Even you sharing your emails dobbing in 13dl.net on here is a big mistake. We all know their members are on here, and it'd be piss easy for them to, out of revenge, contact the same publishers with the screenprints and say 'Hey, the person who sent you this email is the person who shared all your works to begin with!'.

 

No doubt, as with other comments I've seen here, someone will accuse me of being affiliated with 13dl, defending them, or think that I'm saying Cruciatus deserves it but far from it! My aim is to protect our scanners and scanlators and to warn Cruciatus before they get in trouble, especially as I've heard word that there's going to be an extreme crackdown coming.

 

I'm extremely thankful for the scanners and scanlators I've come across over the years for promoting manga. Without them it's doubtful that there would be as much of an audience for it outside of Japan as back in the day it would have been almost impossible to get hold of a physical copy of any manga, let alone a genre so niche as Yaoi and BL (I think it's very short-sighted of the big publishers not to realise how they've benefitted). It's thanks to these people that prices have been driven down and there's now an avenue to buy manga over the net. It sounds counterintuitive but I hope one day there'll be no need for scanners at all due to manga being even more affordable and easy to obtain than it is now. Afterall, the joy of supporting the mangaka is worth more than the joy of sharing works under our own 'name'.

 

It's been a long while running but I think you've made the best decision in getting out of this game. I wish you well with all your future endeavours. You've made a massive difference in my life and I can't thank you enough for it. Goodbye.

[inasible]

I'm totally with you! no one of the people who enjoy your raws, including me, worth your depression or a big trouble. A lot of individuals will be angry and will talk bad as are so many ungrateful people but at the end you are alone dealing with these kind of people who make money at your cost, surely you will get sad and frustrated as the time pass so a big thank you for the time you shared your pages against all this big obstaholes and wish you now the best far from them; know that you made me so happy so many times reading works that could never have been in my screen otherwise... aaaand as I read your shares I will remember your generosity. Take care and the best of luck

[kaworun83]

sad to see you go.

many thanx for your works and all the best wishes on your path.

[kaworun83]

*bump*

[kaworun83]

*bump*

this is farewell.

[saisan]

I'm not so active here but I am following you on Twitter and Tumblr. Thank you so much for everything 🥺♥️

[kaworun83]

*bump*

[violin]

you did not read the sentiment...she is retiring because somebody is using what was intended to be shared for free but...some dumass site took advantage and profit on them....her decision is hers alone for her to decide if its wrong or not....you all got no say about it or has any right to criticize her when we all just selfishly feedin off what shes sharin so STOP the passive aggressive attitude and buy your raws from now on...

[nanao-san]

you've brought a lot of happiness to many people, thank you for all of that!

[Realist]

Wow.. I missed all the drama while I was away for a couple of years... Over so many years, this repeated problem gave our community immeasurable headaches. It is fully understandable that Cruciatus had to take this drastic action against her good will. It is truly sad to see you crestfallen and disheartened by the shameless acts of stealing your hard work, and depressing to have you gone from YO. Wish you all the best and thank you so much for all these years of countless sharing!! You have been our angel and you will always be!